I would like if you can wright me. First, living under such strict rules has detrimental consequences. I went to Loyola Marymount in Los Angeles and the school is laid back we can have alcohol on campus go to dance clubs if we want to,so I say this GO FUCK yourself you religious nuts, I attended Loyola Marymount University in Los Angeles They dont have strict rules lie BJU which I think is a little extreme If I want to go to Dance Clubs or a bars I will Let them try to stop me because I will Tell to where to go and how to get there. To try to fix me, I was taken to a church, beat, water thrown on me, dragged to a stage and forced to confess things Id never done. I went to a Catholic University in Los Angeles and they do not have rules like that sothere. Openly homosexual students are allowed to attend classes, but they must commit themselves to the same standards of staunch chastity as their heterosexual peers. Absolutely true! Graduating 74% of students, Cedarville alumni go on to earn a starting salary of $35,200. -Pornography duh. I Attended LMU in Los Angeles we do to have strict rules about clothes we can wear pants So nyah nyah yah. If you give your kids a firm understanding of probability, they wont even *want* to gamble. The professors are very intentional so that studying the bible isn't just for academia, but . 4:3. 3:3; Titus 1:7; 1 Pet. Ten. He turned water into wine. Either way, check your facts before you publish. If you want to be a Christian, go to a Christian school if possible. If students go from a strict household (as I suppose most of these students do) to a strict school, they will have no chance to learn true self-control. An act isnt good because God does it a being can only be God if it only does good acts. As for chapel, yeah, its mandatory. Everyone should look at the evidence presented and formulate their own personal opinion of the matter. In addition, all students enrolled in 12 or more hours are required to attend at least one chapel event a week. DRESS AND APPEARANCE Our approach to standards for dress and appearance seeks to honor biblical principles of modesty as humility expressed in dress and to provide general guidelines appropriate for a Christ-centered educational institution. and everyone is a sinner, but it is much better to have standards (standing for something morally EAST LANSING, Mich. (AP) The 43-year-old gunman who killed three students and wounded five others at Michigan State University had no apparent connection to the campus, police said Tuesday as they searched for a motive for shootings that terrified the community for hours.. Investigators were sorting out why Anthony McRae fired inside an academic building and the student union just before 8 . That rule ONLY applies to publicly shown movies. Who is she to judge!? It really sucks that you went to such an awful college. Guess what these colleges are wrong to force students to suppress their governing rights that were written long before most of these colleges where even developed. The biblical expectation of modesty is that the conduct of both men and women, which includes but is not limited to dress, serves to enhance rather than detract from the reputation of the Gospel (1 Tim. Use of alcohol was simply pushed underground out of regulatory bounds and resulted in the creation of a black market. One of my professors at UK went to my church (Southern Hills in Lexington), another of my UK professors dedicated his life to improve conditions for the poor in South America. Cashiers Office. Whether you are the religion these campuses represent or not. I attended Asbury for four years, the handbook is terribly written, but the rules are not as strict as they are presented here. If merely one look at offensive material is more powerful than the exalted Holy canons, your God sounds as defenseless against the Devil as you are. Or would he rather you come to him of your own free will and respect him because you want to not because you have to. I attended Liberty from 99-01 and it was great. BUT, if you are homosexual, they wont kick you off campus. Alcohol makes a person less alert and diminishes self-control. Popular majors include Nursing, Mechanical Engineering, and Early Childhood Education. If a disciple of Christ becomes odious to others because of the radical measures that Christ calls us to, he will have followed the footsteps of his master; indeed, what else could be expected of him? I can tell from what you wrote, you were definitely enrolled at the wrong college. The school even governs how students are to go about their off-campus employment as well. Clearly, the answer to (b) will depend on the answer to (a). The articles goal is to make you think some of these colleges are creating robots and the students walk around with bibles in one arm and a notebook in the other. I was there when the movie came out, and I remember some other students calling me unspiritual because I chose not to watch the movie with them. All of these policies supposedly honor the wishes of Jesus Christ and facilitate participation in the encouraged weekend activities of door-to-door and child evangelism, working in churches, and volunteering at nursing homes. Students are also prohibited from recreational drug use, misusing legally prescribed medications, or using synthetic street drugs or medical marijuana. Alcohol use is not repeatedly rebuked in scripture. Feel free to email me at [emailprotected]. Hide/Show Additional Information For Notre Dame OH - February 24, 2023. -Underage gambling is also against the law (and also gives into the sin of greed) If your God did these things (and science shows Sodom was the victim of a meteor strike, not magic) that makes your God evil and you should be ashamed to be promoting evil and defending the murder of gay people. There are as many answers as there are people to consider the questions, because the world exists in shades of grey. Even if you are a staunch conservative fundamentalist christian, I would not recommend attending Pensacola Christian College. No one is forcing anyone to attend those colleges/universities. Convocation was not that big of a dealit was actually pretty cool. We hope you continue to read and criticize our articles. By banning both entirely harmless things (eg violent movies) and more harmful things (eg smoking, alcohol without moderation) with the same strictness, these schools create an awful situation where students who have the intelligence and insight necessary to see that the ban on the harmless items is a load of rubbish may likewise think that the harmful things will be OK, too. Woah this blog is magnificent i like reading your posts. Yes, the limitations on personal freedoms were sometimes onerous, but the tradeoffs, IMO, make the typical American college experience pale in comparison. [Emphases in original.] They understandably discourage illegal and discourteous behaviors such as excessive drunkenness, but generally harmless actions like possessing legal pornography, moderate drinking, disciplined gambling, dancing, sensuality, premarital sex, and homosexuality all remain condemned and held up as just as harmful to young, educated minds. I can understand dancing in a lewd manner in clubs being prohibited (not really, actually I cant understand most of these being prohibited even when it comes to upholding an image of morality) but what about ballet? Submit Maintenance Work Order. He transferred to public school where he had no friends and even less support and encouragement from faculty/students, and two months later he shot himself. Perhaps they are harmful. hahaha what a joke, and you call yourselves civilized. They also require the students to dress up for all morning classes, no matter what the class was too. Yay secularism! From 1920-1933, the United States unwittingly participated in a massive experiment into the idea of illegalizing alcohol of any kind. What rules are they not so strict on? When you look at little children laughing, or animals playing, or men and women gathering together to talk and experience the presence of others, youre witnessing God at work. Youre not supposed to be having sex in the first place, for one. Homosexuality is also wrong,because it upset God to the extent of destroying sodom and gomorah. If a student applies and is admitted to one of the educational institutions it is safe to assume that theyve read and have agreed to the guidelines. It is near 30,000 dollars a year, and Cedarville is not known for its great financial aid! Honesty, refraining from causing harm to others, community, and staying within the laws of the home country all remain relatively reasonable and universal codes that give students structure while still preserving their individuality and bolstering their character. For these students, drinking is not only unwise, it is also illegal. While this is undoubtedly true, the policy fails in two major areas. Cedarville justifies their policy by referencing the Drug-free Schools and Communities Act, which requires universities to provide, Standards of conduct that clearly prohibit, at a minimum, the unlawful possession, use, or distribution of illicit drugs and alcohol on school property or as part of any school activities foremployees (Policy)orstudents (Code of Conduct) and a statement of disciplinary actions associated with those violations. such as premarital sex, pornography, etc. The rule is to err on the side of caution in wisdom. Nearly 70 percent of our undergraduates are under the legal drinking age. DO you know what these strict colleges are invoking by making these kinds of religious standards? I dont think that students are better off if they attend these schools. Or are they treating free-willed adults as if petulant children incapable of forging their own individual perceptions, decisions, and behaviors without being fed someone elses interpretations of Christian dogma? Comments? Whats your motive? The Catholic Church, for example If you think that sheltering yourself in colleges such as these is a good way to prepare for the world, then youre absolutely wrong. On a related note, outright banning things often just makes them more appealing. Please, be wise! After dusk, mixed groups are not allowed to fraternize without chaperones because having a group of friends including males and females alike is not normal psychosocial behavior it is improper and apparently leads to premarital sex and dancing and other alleged affronts to Jesus. Listed below are several principles that support and guide our approach to alcohol and are informed by the following Scripture texts: Prov. Its part of the colleges curriculum, just like a class, due to the college aiming for both academic AND spiritual growth. and I would rather put up with some questionably strict rules if that meant that you know, just as there are Christians who behave badly, there are secular women who have higher standards. As a matter of fact, Im taking a dance class currently! Since, as was noted in the introduction, it usually remains the students choice to partake of such environments, I dont think that we can disapprove of these schools on ethical or legal grounds. Cedarville police were called to the Stevens Student Center Tuesday morning after a 911 caller reported that a male student had been stabbed. They rally behind the 10 Commandments, but when asked about their own practices, they quickly throw up the New Testament. There are a couple Id like to flesh out. In addition, anyone considering dating a classmate or other attendee must refrain from any sign of affection beyond handholding. Are these people protected?, No, they are dead! I dont know what they are trying to prove by stating the fact that The Passion was rated R for violence in their description. DANCE We recognize that appropriate styles of dance can be a valuable part of art, worship, choreography, celebration, and exercise. NOTE: This is not a comprehensive argument for changing the alcohol policy at Cedarville and more articles will likely be posted in relation to this subject to review Biblical principles in depth. Political or social demonstrations including harmless picketing are completely banned on campus, and the University heavily discourages participating in any held off-campus as well. Look it up. Emergency personnel respond to a shooting at Michigan State University in East Lansing, Michigan, U.S., February 13, 2023. Both my wife and I are hurt! The last one about Liberty isnt even true. Dictatorial societies (from countries to colleges) always invoke claims of protecting people from themselves or the protecting the society, but are always first and foremost about preserving the power structure of an elite and repressing any who might challenge the dogma they use to maintain that control. In fact, they DID say, students should not drink too much alcohol, thereby maintaining self-control over their bodies. The point of this article was not to condone drunkenness, but to challenge Cedarvilles policy against responsible alcohol consumption for adults. The first is that prohibition does not equip students for the reality of the world after they leave the campus of Cedarville University. but those who curtail their rights are guilty of stupidities. This was in Roger Rosenblatt in his essay We are Free to Be You, Me, Stupid and Dead. when they prohibit homosexuality while prohibiting interaction with the opposite sex. As we know from history, prohibition massively failed. However, while I appreciate the desire to have a biblically based view on alcohol, I do believe this article misses the heart behind the rule of abstaining from alcohol while being a student at Cedarville. At BJU I just couldnt get any action as the boys are all homosexual or want to be. We call our student handbook The Cedarville Experience because it includes many of the guidelines and principles that will shape your time at Cedarville. Forgery, providing incomplete or misleading information, scanning and not attending chapel, or misuse of your student ID card are examples of dishonesty that will result in discipline. I got to Oral and they dont follow you around but they are strict, I have piercings and Ive been told to put clear retainers in during class and school events. To offer a different perspective, I graduated from Asbury in the 90s, lived by the rules, and benefited from being part of a voluntary community that generally did the samenot out of fear or self-righteousness, but because of the high value they placed on faith and community. But do you know which degree is still highly valuable? put a sock in it. However, his ultimate conclusion is that Christians must make decisions based on whether they will be further sanctified. McKendree. It will introduce you to our Cedarville Covenant and Community Guidelines, and it will include advice that will help you maximize your success as a university student. Students at these schools are missing out. I know Id want someone to visit me. Ive also chosen to go back this Fall because it follows the Bible and the rules discourage wrong things so it is Much easier to make right decisions! Registrar's Office. I would not refer it to anyone!!!! Perhaps they are harmless. As one of the top Christian colleges in the Midwest, Cedarville University attracts 5,082 undergraduate , graduate, and dual enrolled high school students to more than 175 areas of study. Major infractions largely accepted by mainstream society and allowed under American law include dating violation[s], owning potentially offensive media (which will get confiscated), swimming with the opposite sex, patronizing a movie theatre, attending a concert, receiving a tattoo or piercing, gambling, possessing pornography, or purchasing and using tobacco (even when of age). . However, I dont think its quite as strict as some of the other colleges on this list, notably 1 3. The campus feels more like a prison than a college. This Florida institution takes its honor court very, very seriously going so far as to issue demerits for a number of completely legal offenses. It is a small institution with an enrollment of 3,540 undergraduate students. Your email address will not be published. A church I was told to attend? Where did you get your information? Its your belief. Going far beyond the usual, generally accepted standards of not breaking the law, acting in a disruptive or discourteous manner, and remaining honest in word, deed, and homework, they raise a number of fascinating moral and ethical questions regarding personal freedom. Women have to wear a dress or skirt and hose most of the time. Its obviously not an awesome college to go to if you dont want rules, but its not NEARLY as strict as 90 percent of the christian colleges out there. I went to Asbury college and for a Christian college I have never had such a bad taste in my mouth for a group of people. I believe the answer lies with how students (like me) were raised. Okay, I am here just to argue about one thing. Jerry, Im sorry you and your wife had problems at Asbury. Required fields are marked *. God created the creativity within human beings. 6:910; 1 Cor. The decision to use alcohol and tobacco kills nearly 500,000 Americans a year, the porn industry destroys millions, and how many die from abortion. Demanding a radical commitment to Jesus Christ of all students involves not only the usual abstinence from illegal substances and behaving courteously, but a number of other legal but forbidden or discouraged behaviors frowned upon by the religious right as well. God forbid someone busts into a Riverdance in the middle of the student union. So next time you choose to attack our schools (speaking more to some of the comments than the actual article), check your sources. They are definitely much more lax now the girls are fine wearing pants (modesty is suggested). Woe be unto a civilization who rejects the counsel of the Holy One, and would none of his reproof! I know several students who attended these schools and went nuts due to teh strictness of the rules.alot of them transferred to Liberty. 20:1; Prov. Faith College Largo Florida. Now of course in the Bible he warns against sins, things that werent made by his own creation, but by the fall of mankind and free will. http://www.pcci.edu/ Facebook. God didnt make us to reject each other. Students are expected to be honest and truthful in all forms of communication (verbal or written). That basically means being a jackass and expressing your self is better than being idiotic enough to try to stop them because of the First Amendment. While some rules are debatable, yet this writer seems to think Do you think Id have argued about a college? As a former student from 2010-2012, I can attest that convocation wasnt required, students could hang out in mixed groups on and off campus, and public signs of affection are commonplace, and Im not talking about hand-holding. In America, people can express their opinions and say what they want. Um, we dance at ORU. Students hoping to visit any friends of the opposite sex must receive permission from their families and keep it on file with the school as well. Again, some book says so doesnt provide a justification of anything. Im bruised by the experience yet my wife was forever changed. Rather, they will be dependant on their belief in God to serve as a sort of eternal chaperone, which I think is unhealthy. Id be more concerned about how easily youre manipulated into defending mass murder and less about cheering on places that prohibit dancing or chewing gum. Carson, writing for what is arguably Cedarvilles favorite theology blog The Gospel Coalition, writes, one should not confuse the logic of 1 Corinthians 8 with the stance that finds a strong legalist saying to a believer who thinks that eating meat offered to idols is acceptable, You may think that such action is legitimate, but every time you do it you are offending meand since you are not permitted to offend me, therefore you must not engage in that activity.. They help stem the tide of STDs, date rape, the dangers of substance abuse, etc., They do not require church service, but Convocations on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays are compulsory for the entire student body. Employment must not mainly involve the sale of alcohol (so no bars or liquor stores), anything even remotely sexual, gambling, or anything un-Christian. Carson) does not equate to belief in everything they believe or agreement with any or all of their actions. . 31:30). In addition, all freshmen with jobs must consent to being chaperoned by a prayer captain or one of their assistants or an upperclassman while working. And students coloring their hair is definitely not banned.just unnatural colors are like a student couldnt dye their hair green for instance. Adding onto my last post you must have been reading a 40 year old manual when you wrote this stuff about Asbury. It always has been, and always will be. If you want to have a Christian school, make it conform to Biblical principles as much as possible. Davenport. Keep up the good work! BUT, they do not have any rules against you watching them on your own, or even on things like violent video games. If your happy with your life, enjoy it your clearly not hurting anyone and therefore absolutely entitled to that choice; and for many that way of life makes people better. This article oversimplifies the issue, as well as interprets the motives behind the rule, both of which are misleading. L, 8-10. Isnt that what freedom means: choosing what you want to do and suffering the consequences for your actions. How could she possibly have had the time to worry about not being able to see a R rated movie or go clubbing. Probably just pray around the clock and go to church (:::sarcasm face::: so fun!!! Your email address will not be published. 1st of all we agree to go to these strict schools. If Jesus were alive, why wouldnt he want people to volunteer in nursing homes? All men and women are expected to dress modestly, stay well-groomed, and avoid tattoos and body piercings. My marriage has lasted almost 11 years so far, I have no illegitimate children and I have never been an embarrassment to my husband. Allowing dancing at any school-related function on or off campus is strictly prohibited, though students are allowed to bust a few chaste, pre-approved moves at weddings, military balls, graduation exercises, church, and family occasions provided they refrain from attending clubs, bars, or parties that allegedly lead to temptation no matter what. YAAAY ORU and all the others. When asked why not, her response is always that she lost a lot of her motivation and dedication for faith development because of the Asbury rules you were not allowed to grow up into responsible adulthood. You arent writing truth, you are writing opinion. Im not talking about breaking these rules, Im talking about snobishly being on the look for anyone that might be breaking these rules and falesly accusing them. As Paul said, Be not drunk with wine, but we filled with the holy spirit. ORU has a dress code which is in effect for classes, chapel and in all academic buildings. The main thing I learned from my year there was how to be sneaky. YouTube. However, no mention is made of men wearing very short shorts or tank tops that expose most of their upper body. Men may not grow their sideburns past their earlobes, have hair covering their ears, or keep moustaches beyond the corners of their mouths. Leave your intelligent feedback down below or consider following CollegeTimes on Facebook or Twitter to stay updated or to get in touch! Mixed groups of males and females must agree to confer in the presence of a chaperone. When so-called Christians give up murder & pork; & they begin smoting doves, I might start believing them. Cedarvilles policy on alcohol is simply another notch in the post of treating students like children rather than adults. Not sure why you find prohibition of Occult practices to be a bad thing for those attending a Christian university. 16 17. Ballroom dancing? Because the nude human body is just as detrimental to society as a sawed-off shotgun. Shorts, sweatpants, and pajama pants should not be worn to class or chapel. There are always going to be kids that break rules.i went to parties were kids were drinking alcohol. If you honestly think that the way these colleges are conducting themselves and imposing religion upon students is a good thing, well then I dont know. Violations of these guidelines may result in dismissal. The place else may just I am getting that kind of information written in such an ideal manner? Hey Amos, youve got a very urgent meeting with Dr. Wood tomorrow. To create a healthy environment for our students, and in some cases to comply with the Drug-Free Schools and Communities Act of 1989, Public Law 101-226, Cedarville University adheres to the following guidelines for all undergraduate students and graduate students enrolled in degree programs on campus, including those students who do not live in campus housing. I was a student of your college from 1990 to 1997. What do you think they do? Wow, imagine that. Any student requiring a personal care attendant because of a physical disability is responsible for making such arrangements. he would allow an environment that would dishonor the name of Christ. D.A. Im very sorry that Pensacola was such a horrible experience for you but keep it to yourself. So if the rules dont work for you, dont go there. But unless you go, you cant mock it because you havent even been there or checked it out. We can have/get tattoos, we dont have to attend church at all if we dont want to. I could go on, but. 5:18; 1 Tim. Thats how many of those regulations mentioned in the synopsis I broke while attending the sixth college on this list. I attended Asbury for my first 2 years of college and met my wife there. That rule only applies to PUBLIC showings of movies, like if a student run organization wanted to have a movie night on the green for the student body. Reading the article, Im finding myself agreeing. God bless. Alcohol is held up as equally detrimental as illegal substances regardless of whether or not a student partakes responsibly and remains at or above the drinking age and the University does not discriminate on whether or not consumption or possession takes place on- or off-campus, either. The most important thing to remember is that each person attending these schools is a responsible adult. https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/themelios/article/on-disputable-matters/, Defined by One Mistake: What One Students Dismissal Revealed about Cedarvilles Disciplinary Process The Cedarville Interpreter. The administration should be an example of leadership by listening to its student body, a large portion of which would support the change to the student handbook. Furthermore, students may be dismissed if they attend a party where alcohol is present, whether or not the student makes what the University would deem wise choices by avoiding drinking. todays society are those who want to ban guns because they kill people, yet want to drink, smoke, and do whatever the hell they want because its there right. I wouldnt go to any of these colleges, but youre giving them more crap than you should. Dyed hair and faddish or extreme styles are out, as are any piercings beyond the ears or a nose stud presumably allowed for cultural reasons.
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